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Ryan Regier's avatar

You mentioned that a 4-seat district has a 20% threshold, leading to wasted votes in a party list system. But in a party list system with no legal threshold, parties below this number can still be elected if voters are fragmented. For example, if six parties are all at around 16%, then the three parties with the most votes earn one seat each despite none of them hitting the threshold. Furthermore, STV allows up to 20% of the votes to be wasted, since this many votes can be cast for a loser that makes it to the final round, so the votes never transfer to a winner. Being above 20% guarantees a win in both systems, but being below is not necessarily a loss in either system.

National party list systems being used often waste more votes than necessary by choice, since they enforce a high legal threshold (such as a 5% threshold in Germany, where reaching 5% is good enough for about 40 seats but 4.9% gets you nothing) to prevent too many political parties and fractionalization. I would not enforce a threshold in the US, since small magnitude districts will have the same effect at reducing party count, and if anything we need more party fractionalization instead of less. No legal threshold means fewer wasted votes (though it certainly doesn't bring them to 0).

All this to say, votes will still be wasted under party lists, and probably more than STV, but I think the issue was slightly overstated.

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Tom's avatar

you say: "Multiply this “wasted vote” dynamic across the geography of 435 House districts and its quite conceivable that this ostensibly “proportional” voting system would not result in nationwide proportional representation at all."

if you are using super-districts then you do not have 435 house districts.

and an upper limit of 7 seats in a district is not necessary,

back in 1920 the Winnipeg district elected ten members using STV -- without computers!

currently jurisdictions in Australia use district of 21 and 37, using STV.

so each state except the very largest cold be state-wide district.

with each quota (1/21 for example) being enough to elect a member, each 1/21th of a district could elect their own member if the voters there vote only for candidates from that place, so local representation is still produced.

any DM that works for STV works for list PR, and most district sizes used in list PR would be work-able under STV as well.

having a quota as threshold means you have structured elections not just some hurly-burly where the one strongest candidate is elected in each arbitrarily-defined district.

multi-member districts means each member represents a group of same-thinking people;

having only one member in a district means the member must present himself or herself as the rep for the whole district when such is obviously impossible.

if a member could represent everyone irrespective of who the member is and who the voter is, then why have elections at all?

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