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you say: "Multiply this “wasted vote” dynamic across the geography of 435 House districts and its quite conceivable that this ostensibly “proportional” voting system would not result in nationwide proportional representation at all."

if you are using super-districts then you do not have 435 house districts.

and an upper limit of 7 seats in a district is not necessary,

back in 1920 the Winnipeg district elected ten members using STV -- without computers!

currently jurisdictions in Australia use district of 21 and 37, using STV.

so each state except the very largest cold be state-wide district.

with each quota (1/21 for example) being enough to elect a member, each 1/21th of a district could elect their own member if the voters there vote only for candidates from that place, so local representation is still produced.

any DM that works for STV works for list PR, and most district sizes used in list PR would be work-able under STV as well.

having a quota as threshold means you have structured elections not just some hurly-burly where the one strongest candidate is elected in each arbitrarily-defined district.

multi-member districts means each member represents a group of same-thinking people;

having only one member in a district means the member must present himself or herself as the rep for the whole district when such is obviously impossible.

if a member could represent everyone irrespective of who the member is and who the voter is, then why have elections at all?

Edward HITCHCOCK's avatar

Wasted votes in list systems arise from the use of fixed thresholds or the existing of implied thresholds. The Spare vote (second choice of party vote ott.nz, 'dual voting' dualvoting.com) allows every voter to vote for any party, and if that party does not pass threshold, vote for a party much more likely to qualify.

If you talk of 'proportional representation' you need to know what is proportional to what. List systems including MMP seats are proportional to votes for qualifying parties, and with the spare vote all votes can qualify.

If the PR objective is seats in proprtion to votes, you need a clear expression of party preference in every . RCV does not provide that unless you go by first preferences, in which case why bother with the others. You may like ranked ballots but they do not help a system be more party proportional.

Both USA and Canada suffer from a huge range of state/prov sizes, varying from <1% of the population to more than 10% of the population. If each state/prov must have separate representation, those smaller ones have only one seat from one party. There is no obvious solution to this problem.

List members are much less isolated from local areas than you might think. In NZ list members must be geographically distributed (for party credibility) and most list members involve themselves in local and national issues.

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